7 comments on “International football is a tough gig in São Paulo

  1. Shamefully, it’s mostly a São Paulo thing, yes. Which makes me curious about the World Cup 2014 opener, taking place here. In South Africa 2010, Brazil struggled to come back at North Korea 2-1 on the first match. If something like that occurs in the World Cup (combination of nervous football and an impatient SP crowd), it could well raise the pressure even more at this young squad.

    • Thanks for the comment Rafa. Seems the commenter below disagrees slightly although what you have said is also very similar to what many other people have told me as well. Let’s keep our fingers crossed that it will be better in 2014!

      • I read André’s comment now and I mostly agree. I only think in São Paulo is far worse than elsewhere (and I know that’s not exactly what I said in the first comment).

        In any case, last night at Pacaembu Corinthians played a lousy game but we cheered up all the time, until we eventually got the equalizer. So when we compare the kind of crowd that goes to a club game with the one at the Seleção, it’s not the same. They are not there to watch a match and be prepared to win or lose. They behave like consumers that paid for a nice spectacle and got disappointed, now they are looking for their rights. Football is not about that at all, but those fans there didn’t know much about football either, otherwise they would not be calling Neymar a “pipoqueiro”, which I don’t know the word in english for, but means a player who hides himself during big matches. After all, it was a friendly…

  2. São Paulo Futebol Clube is the one to blame for the chaos in the match’s organization, as the club failed to provide every single aspect of the “spectacle” as whole, including the horrible field grass condition, and the terrible tickets delivery system. And their fans, of course, who keeped asking for Luis Fabiano, a 32-years-old striker who already is in the dawn of his career.. And about the fans support, its NOT only a São Paulo city’s thing, as the last commentator stated above. That’s a blatant lie. It’s a general aspect in most of the brazilian fans, except the Nordeste ones, who tends to be more supportive. There are inumerous examples of fans bad behaviour in cities like Rio de Janeiro (the last game in the city, a 0X0 drawn with Bolivia, was a festival of coursing and boos), Brasilia, Belo Horizonte (in the last World Cup qualifiers, Brazil had a drawn with Argentina in Mineirao stadium, and the Seleção was booed the whole time, while Messi was applauded when he was substitued in the game), Goiania (they booed a draw with Holland last year, even knowing that nowadays our team is easily weaker then the oranges), and in the South, where the fans are more political, and tend to use the so-called Canarinha as a simbol and scape goat for their insatisfaction with the country as a whole. The key to understand this brutal impatience of our fans, something that goes back for decades (there’s a famous game in the fifties when the Seleção was booed in Maracana, with the fans asking for Garrincha, a carioca player, in the place of Julinho Botelho, a paulista one, and the player, irritaded with the fans, scored a goal and told the crown to shut up), is to know that for many, many years and decades, we were, – and i already say sorry for using a course word- a fucked-up country, and football and the Seleção was the only place in wich we could be proud of something in the International scene,and keep our head up against the “powers” of the world (including your England, of course). That had always put a desporportional weight of responsability and charge in the shoulders of the Seleção. It’s a common talking point between critics that if brazilians someday apply all this impatience and rage against our politics, then the country will finally be way better then it is. Sad but true.

    • There were so many more things that I wanted to write about in this post but it was already getting too long so I had to leave some points out. However, one of them was the club factions which seemed to be at least part of the problem – as you mention. Most ridiculous of all was the constant chanting for Luis Fabiano who, as you say, is 32 and will be 34 during the World Cup. Why on earth would a coach choose to recall him (although Mano has for the games against Argentina!)?

      Mano was booed for taking off Lucas, who still seems popular at São Paulo despite imminently jumping ship to move to France a load of cash. Paulinho was cheered by Corinthians fans and booed by everyone else. And so on and son on.

      I think your final point is a very valid and interesting one. Imagine how Brazil could be if everyone got angry at the things which really matter?

  3. Hey Andy, I actually went to the China game. I can’t be sure but I have a suspicion that their team was mad up of Chinese expats living in Brazil. They were worse than shite.

    • Brazil are really lining up the testing friendlies at the moment aren’t they??

      Anyway, when’s your next post? It’s been too long…

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